Record padding deal

[Jamus]

Talking about the system that totally screws your PK record over - sometimes for good reason, sometimes not.

Like it, or not?
Keep it around, or trash it?

I personally think that it should get chucked. I have a really "clean" PK record (so I'm not just trying to get my record to look better), but I look at posts like Hargan's where their record should have been a lot better. It seems to do more bad than good. I know my record is going to get screwed, because of a few times where I've killed the same person over and over (in honorable duels, one right after another), when they should count towards clean PKs.

[Slade]

The penalties are a bit harsh.

I think they should get rid of mobdeaths on it btw (and I never die to mobs, just saying), unless the person has PK adrenaline to prevent suiciding so the other guy doesn't get the kill.

[Davairus]

The problems I see with it (this is just opinion) are: 1) suiciding trash like Leslina and Ahyvdor that just feed players pks, and 2) being forced into unwanted conflicts with cabal flags pre-50, i.e. wanted, anathema, intruder, whatever. Warlords aren't in the game anymore though so that's taken care of.

[Erlwith]

I think it's affective, and I like it. If you don't want to be penalized, stop worrying so much about PK before you pinnacle. The way I see it, this game isn't designed for a lot of pre-50 pvp. So there really shouldn't be *any* rewards (including graveyard rankings) for overzealous pre-50 pk.

[Esivole]

then if that is true, they can make it easier to rank, make each mob give 100000 exp. yes the game is designed for pinnacle, but the sad truth is, unless you have perfect ooc ranking groups, or are part of a cabal, it is really damn hard to rank. So, what do you do when you see eight people in <PK> and no one to group with? you go killing, depending on what your char is like of course. So before 50 PvP is still important, wether the game has been designed for it or not. I disagree with the current system.

[marsd]

The "prize" of AR would be 50, and most 40-50 groups are in-game, with some exception. So far I've been in a few groups that were totally IC, so perfect OOC groups are moot unless you're m1co that's pulling around a multi shell trash fire zerker.

If AR had mobs that give enough experience for insta-50 then there's not much point in having level 50 at all. Then there's also no point in getting equipment so that you can survive your way up to 50. AND then there's no more point in training your way to 50 too, since a scratch would ascend you up there. Then there'd be no point to RP-PKing since everyone's char would be practically trash with no depth and would just full of rampage killing because there's no 'building-up' the character until 50.

And blah blah.. blah blah..

[Rezakhan]

I always felt the argument 'the game is meant to be played at 50' is a little disingenous as an explanation for why people shouldn't kill at lower levels. If the only point of the game was fighting at 50, then why allow pk'ing at lower levels at all?
I understand the rationale behind not wanting trash characters to completely screw up people's records; however, I think its foolish to penalize people for doing something allowed in the game (killing before 50).

[Mandor]

if they care about having some cool numbers that says how many people they killed after death, they'll play by the rules of limitations the system puts in, possibly breaching their RP.

If not, and they dont give a damn about their record after their character dies, they can multikill, niche kill, and do all that other stuff. Everyone who plays will still know that person kills a load of people, which makes the record gimp useless, as all it will tell us is information we already know. All the record does tell us anyway is things anyone should already know if they play consistently, and logboards also prove kills.

if you need RP to PK, niche killing and multikilling can be driven forward because of RP.

If you care about what your numbers look like in a forum after death, thats an OOC concern.

Im not that good a pker, I barely pked at all even when I had an evil chaotic because I was more interested in 50, and perhaps a little worried if I didnt keep my pking in check newbies would get raped and hate the game. I never felt concerned about the record, and I can see how it hurts better players. If you always go for people 3 levels above you and win, if youre sitting at 30 doing it, youre still a niche pker, even if youre obviously better skilled and not being cheap, and looking for a challenge. Has it stopped trash pking? I doubt it. people who trash will do it anyway and not really care about their numbers.

[Burzuk]

[Daesu]

I think I like how the padding system works now, so I hope this doesn't sound like a complaint against it.

I was just thinking of when I was waiting to be knighted, though. I sat at rank 40 as a squire for 1-2 weeks, somewhere in there. In that time I was trying to be as active as possible so I Would get squired, and there so happened to be a lot of evils to fight. I remember after 4 or 5 days of getting a kill or two, I realized I should stop logging on in hopes of knightdom or else I'd get penalized.

I wish it wasn't like that, but I donno if that would mean lighter reins on the niche padding for cabal apps, or maybe the cabals allowing you to go over 40, or something.

[The Zealot]

[Davairus]

[Mandor]

well this IS a pk mud first, secondly, if he cant rank up, and he cant pk, whats the point of logging on.. he'd be sitting around doing nothing.

[Jamus]

Burzuk- I just don't think that sitting around at 36/38 and killing honorably is a bad thing... especially when you don't have a group. You shouldn't have to be pinnacled to have fun with a game, and not get penalized for it.

The bad of the PK system, is that you get screwed for Pks that weren't trash PKs, and when people look at your record, it looks like you broke all the rules, when really you didn't, and I don't see any way of adjusting it so that that doesn't happen. It would have to be monitored non-stop by real person.

Those 7 duels in a row weren't arena duels. And I do think dueling at 36 is just about as meaningful as at 50. Why not?

Amen Slade on the mobdeaths.

8 in PK, you could say half would be the same align as you. There is a good chance that half of the same align wouldn't want to join you, because they're busy or something.

Sorry for not quoting, maybe saying something already been said. I'm too smart to read all of it.


Edit: And, with all due respect, I think you're doing a very good job, but... I think it matters what all of the players want, not the makers of the game. Not saying that is just me, but I get the vibe that most of everyone either wants it changed or dumped.

[Kalist19]

Whenever you guys write "blah blah, all players want..." I just go @_@. You guys are expressing your personal opinions, can you replace "all players" with "I" or "Me"?

[_Clifton_]

With all the things to do on AR, taskings, questing, etc.. etc.. you can't find anything to wait off the downtime to being inducted? In my experience, it's been that if I apply before 30, I get talked to somewhere around 32-35, and get inducted by the time I hit 40. That leaves me with enough room to PK some (FLAGGED) and continue leveling up. Sometimes you can solo rank for about 100 xp a kill as well. That's just more tedious. As far as pk penalties go, if you're focusing on ranking, and not on pking, you don't suffer so many penalties. If penalties are affecting your rp, maybe you should reconsider it. Personally, penalties haven't stopped me from killing and multikilling.

[Smotpoker]

if you dont want to have pk penalties then don't pk as much. do what Clifton said quest, solo-rank, or just sit back and rp. The pk system is in placed for showing people who the trash pk people are, and some people who pk without ranking the system works so leave it alone.

[Davairus]

Mobdeaths need to count. Its already been explained why well, so I don't know why you keep on saying it. Some of us are capable of staying alive vs mobs and this helps our pk record out.

[sissuris]

I came to the conclusion on how to amass a pk record without penalties on larieb, and I activily pk'd but ranked inbetween. I dont think i lost any pk's from the anti-padding. After changing my pk ways from my drows which were infact niche, to a + you really werent trying hard enough hargan

[Mandor]

is it possible to amass those 100 pks all the way to 50 by still killing people 3 - 5 ranks under you? If the answer is yes, a good system beating trash pker will still get that nice high pk score in the end.